{"id":1115,"date":"2017-02-21T17:01:44","date_gmt":"2017-02-21T22:31:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/?p=1115"},"modified":"2020-06-03T10:51:16","modified_gmt":"2020-06-03T16:21:16","slug":"more-trumpery-and-questions-of-meaning","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/more-trumpery-and-questions-of-meaning\/","title":{"rendered":"More trumpery, and questions of &#8220;meaning&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1120 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/found-poem-mind-map.jpg\" alt=\"found poem mind map\" width=\"644\" height=\"422\" srcset=\"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/found-poem-mind-map.jpg 644w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/found-poem-mind-map-300x197.jpg 300w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/found-poem-mind-map-120x80.jpg 120w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 644px) 100vw, 644px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I didn\u2019t intend to do another \u201cfound\u201d poem from a Trump speech, but the following passage, sent by my friend <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sallysparleys.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Sallie Reynolds<\/a>, was irresistible. It\u2019s one single sentence.<\/p>\n<p>You choose: read it first, or read the two poems below it first: by me and Winkie Ma, a high-school senior whom I mentor in a writing program. Found poetry was one of our assignments. I brought the passage to a mentoring session and each of us tackled it.<\/p>\n<p>Here goes, hold on to your rational mind:\u00a0<!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #1b5712;\">Look, having nuclear\u2014my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart\u2014you know, if you&#8217;re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I&#8217;m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world\u2014it&#8217;s true!\u2014but when you&#8217;re a conservative Republican they try\u2014oh, do they do a number\u2014that&#8217;s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune\u2014you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we&#8217;re a little disadvantaged\u2014but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me\u2014it would have been so easy, and it&#8217;s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what&#8217;s going to happen and he was right\u2014who would have thought?), but when you look at what&#8217;s going on with the four prisoners\u2014now it used to be three, now it&#8217;s four\u2014but when it was three and even now, I would have said it&#8217;s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don&#8217;t, they haven&#8217;t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it&#8217;s gonna take them about another 150 years\u2014but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians \u00a0are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s Winkie\u2019s poem:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1121\" src=\"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Winkies-poem.jpg\" alt=\"Winkie's poem\" width=\"1125\" height=\"983\" srcset=\"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Winkies-poem.jpg 1125w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Winkies-poem-300x262.jpg 300w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Winkies-poem-768x671.jpg 768w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Winkies-poem-1024x895.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1125px) 100vw, 1125px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>And mine:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1122\" src=\"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/My-T-poem.jpg\" alt=\"My T poem\" width=\"1125\" height=\"475\" srcset=\"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/My-T-poem.jpg 1125w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/My-T-poem-300x127.jpg 300w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/My-T-poem-768x324.jpg 768w, http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/My-T-poem-1024x432.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1125px) 100vw, 1125px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Of course I sent both our poems to Sallie. Her response:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Winkie&#8217;s made me cry. Yours seems to me to be about chilling killing power. She turns it to the personal. They just killed us. . . You wrote from the viewpoint of the man as cold killer, and Winkie wrote from the viewpoint of the victims.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>What??\u00a0<\/em> <\/strong>was my reaction. Never having intended anything like that, I asked for clarification.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Yours is a man bragging, &#8220;smart, very smart, etc.,&#8221; connecting himself with past brilliance. Then the voice slides into nuclear stuff. And power. The forces he speaks of used their intelligence and their power to kill\u2014and as in dreams, these fragmentary statements are about the self of the speaker. He is a cold killer. He is also blaming others.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Winkie&#8217;s starts with the same brag, then onto the power, and she begins to slip into the voice of the victim, I think, with the line &#8220;These lives are powerful, explain the power of what&#8217;s going to happen . . . &#8221; and steadily grows into the new voice, the victims&#8217; voices, the prisoners&#8217;, to &#8220;they are killing us.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I created my found poems, this one included, based purely on instinct\u2014or intuition, or a kind of ear\u2014without thinking too much. If I thought anything, it was that I was distilling an essence of Trump. It was more about the rhythm or the music of the language, his stream-of-consciousness thought process and his repetition, than about concepts. There&#8217;s something so destructive of clear cognition in the way he uses language. So I told Sallie it was startling to receive such a specific conceptual interpretation.<\/p>\n<p>She responded:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">When a reader finds something one has done &#8220;purely by instinct&#8221; to have a meaning one hasn&#8217;t intended, it has more credibility than if you had had a conscious vision and the reader is seeing something else.<\/p>\n<p>So naturally I asked Winkie what she herself saw in her Trump poem. \u201cI look for rhythm first and then sound,\u201d she told me. \u201cThe language was so abrasive. I like to change the tone to give a new feel, so I think it did take on a more victim tone, but I didn\u2019t have the word \u2018victim\u2019 in my head.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>You can see why we make such a successful mentor\/mentee pair.<\/p>\n<p>This experience of producing poetry made me think about how we produce meaning. My normal mode is writing nonfiction that requires deep, intensive thinking to make a point or argument clear. I think linearly\u2014a mind map makes me dizzy. (That&#8217;s why the one above is so feeble. Besides, it&#8217;s ex post facto.) Nevertheless there\u2019s a lot of intuition in my writing process: it\u2019s by listening to the rhythm of the sentences that I determine whether I\u2019ve really said what I mean. But in these found poems that\u2019s all I listened to. And if I created meaning, it was one I was unaware of (not something you could say about my books). So is that a different degree\/type\/level of meaning?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I didn\u2019t intend to do another \u201cfound\u201d poem from a Trump speech, but the following passage, sent by my friend Sallie Reynolds, was irresistible. It\u2019s one single sentence. You choose: read it first, or read the two poems below it first: by me and Winkie Ma, a high-school senior whom I mentor in a writing program. Found poetry was one of our assignments. I brought the passage to a mentoring session and each of us tackled it. Here goes, hold on to your rational mind:\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[34,22,40,4],"tags":[156,164,165,163,162,155],"class_list":["post-1115","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-creativity","category-inspiration","category-social-issues","category-writing","tag-found-poetry","tag-language","tag-meaning","tag-mind-map","tag-poetry","tag-trump"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1115","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1115"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1115\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1247,"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1115\/revisions\/1247"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1115"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1115"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/stephaniegolden.net\/writing_blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1115"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}